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A mixed bag

20141111_120423_sh21The last blood sample that Bezukhov provided to the vet was fortunately sufficient enough to run the relevant tests.

Unfortunately, the results turned out to be a ‘mixed bag’.  The good news is that compared to the previous blood results, his liver appears to be in a much improved state.  However, Ms Exotic Hospital Vet (EHV) was concerned about the readings for his gallbladder & bile.  It is possible that having a repeat blood test within 7 days could have affected the results, i.e., his protein levels may be lower than normal, so this has to be considered.

Ms EHV recommended ceasing all medication (Ronaxan, Lactulose & nebulising with F10) but continuing with the Aloe Vera & Milk Thistle supplements in his water.  He is to be watched closely for any signs of illness, odd behaviour or seizures.  We plan to repeat the blood tests in about 6 weeks time.

 

 

 

Last Wednesday

As previously posted, Bezukhov has been moulting.   Moults can take a lot out of a bird.  I was not too worried when Bezukhov appeared a bit grumpy & lethargic.  It was after all, the moult.  Or was it?  After awhile, I noticed his poop changing & somehow his lethargy seemed too pronounced.  A few times he also looked like he was vomiting.  He did not bring anything up – it looked more like he had an obstruction or irritation.  My concern was enough to take him to the vet.

On Wednesday 24th September, Bezukhov was seen by Ms Exotic Hospital Vet (EHV).  She had previously seen him over his random seizures.  Since his last visit to her on the 20th May, I made a note of any other ‘episodes’.   In total, he had six over four months, of which two were proper ones & the others were minor that lasted a second or two.

Given Bezukhov’s medical history & his current state, Ms EHV wanted to take x-rays & a blood sample.  With a heavy heart, I signed the form for him to have the x-rays.  She arranged for the x-rays to take place about an hour later & suggested I go home & pick him up later.  With an even heavier heart, I returned home, Bezukhov-less.

Cagney poop top left, Bezukhov poop bottom right.

Cagney poop top left, Bezukhov poop bottom right.

In my absence, though being watched over by the budgie-sitter, Cagney had temporarily & voluntarily moved into the Ferplast with Phineas.  Phineas must have been over the moon with those few hours with just his adored Cagney.

A short time later I received a call from the vet saying that Bezukhov had come round from the anesthetic.  Cue a huge sigh of relief from me.  When I picked him up later that day, Ms EHV gave me a run down of what she had found.  It was already written down & covers a whole sheet of A4 paper.  In short, his condition is “Air Sacculitis & likely liver disease“.

Though it is not confirmed he has Chlamydia Psittaci (this was not detected in his poop sample provided in July), it is apparently a known cause of liver & breathing problems.  His treatment plan takes this into consideration.  It is worth noting that liver disease can cause seizures because toxins are not filtered.

Treatment is as follows:

  • Bezukhov's medication

    Bezukhov’s medication

    Nebulise with F10 solution up to 3 times a day (for Air Sacculitis)

  • Milk Thistle & Aloe Vera to be administered, either directly or in water (for liver)
  • Lactulose twice a day (for liver)
  • Ronaxan once a day for 45 days (for Chlamydia)

I was told the Ronaxan is the most important of his treatments.  Check-up in 4 weeks time.  Results of blood test to be available in a few days.

Though it all sounded very daunting, I was just delighted to be bringing Bezukhov home.  As I brought him into the lounge, there was a chorus of chirping.  He clearly was also relieved & happy to be back home.

Note: Chlamydia Psittaci can be caught by humans so I was advised to take care & also to not allow anyone on chemotherapy, the elderly or very young to handle Bezukhov.

 

The last two weeks

We are still reeling from the loss of Thomas.  After my last post on Thomas & his health problems, various things were going on in the background.

In writing this post it has turned into a clinical list of events.  That is partly my intention as I feel the need to log our efforts to help Thomas:

  • Tuesday, 14th January – Thomas began a course of antibiotics in the evening, to deal with a suspected infection.
  • Friday, 17th January – By this time, his poops were like pea soup & Thomas was more lethargic & sleepy.  I spoke to Mr EV that day & he said to come off the Baytril.  I removed it & replaced it with Guardian Angel in his water.
  • Monday, 20th January – Two lots of poop samples were given to Mr EV.  One was to test for bacteria and/or infection & the other to check if he is digesting food properly.  In the meantime, Thomas had a combination of Milk Thistle, L-Carnitine & Guardian Angel in his water.
  • Thursday, 23rd January – One lot of results were in: Thomas did NOT have an infection.  The other results were due later on, but speculating on those, Mr EV seemed to think the problem was all to do with Thomas’s liver not doing what it is supposed to do.  He mentioned another supplement that is used for dogs & cats but not tested on birds (probably due to dosage etc.)
  • Friday, 24th January – All this time, Thomas was getting worse.  At this point, I gave him Aloe Vera juice in his water (5ml in 50ml of water) & also pegged up a piece of Aloe Vera leaf which he appeared to nibble/lick.
  • Saturday, 25th January – Thomas had some slurps of the water with Aloe Vera.  He was eating millet when offered & sometimes seed.
  • Sunday, 26th January – In the morning, he stopped eating seed.  Not even millet.  In desperation I offered him different vegetables. He turned away from broccoli, celery, & spinach.  However, his eyes lit up when he saw the beetroot stalk.  Whatever beetroot had, he wanted it.  He could not get enough of those stalks.  In the afternoon he was even inspired to eat a little seed.  I switched back to Guardian Angel in his water.

Despite the obvious need to medicate to improve Thomas’s condition, his general well-being was Read more of this post

Two steps forward, one step back

Following on from my previous post on Thomas & his health problems, we located the medication, L-Carnitine.  It is a liquid version for humans, of 500mg strength.  Mr EV had already been researching the product & confirmed that the lemon flavour of this particular product will actually be beneficial rather than detrimental.  He suggested a dosage of 2 drops per 50ml of water (similar to the Milk Thistle).  Thomas is to have the L-Carnitine on one day & the next day Milk Thistle, & so on.

This new regime began on Tuesday 17th December.

About one week later, Thomas was definitely livelier.  He was flying more, was more alert & more vocal.  His poops seemed a little drier, not quite so sloppy.  He was also responding to Cagney & began flirting again.  This, once again, caused a little friction with the others, but as yet, no major fights have happened, just near misses.

Over the Christmas holiday, Thomas was mostly better but had the odd down day where he seemed a bit lethargic.

However, in the last week, Thomas seems to have taken a step back.  He has still been coming out but he has not been flying as much & not flirting with Cagney.  His poops have also got wetter again.  Yesterday, I had a telephone consultation with Mr EV.  He suggested a short course of antibiotics in case Thomas has picked up another infection.  This began today, alongside the Milk Thistle/L-Carnitine regime.

We continue to keep a very close eye on Thomas.

(Click on photos to enlarge)

 

Thomas is a brave boy

Bezukhov & Cagney visiting Thomas

Bezukhov & Cagney visiting Thomas

Phineas visiting Thomas

Phineas visiting Thomas

Following on from my previous post on Thomas & his health problems, there was little change, in fact, no change, from taking the six days worth of medication: Ornicure Doxycycline.  He spent several days in the travel cage so I could monitor him & also make sure he was not overly stressed.  On Friday 29th November (day 4 of medication), he vacated the travel cage & after a brief walkabout on top of the Manor, returned to live with Phineas, well, he returned for seed I think…. it was a coincidence that Phineas also lives in that cage….

Mr Exotic Vet did not prescribe more of the same medicine but said to remove it whilst he investigated other options.  On Wednesday 4th December, I had another consultation with Mr EV & he thought it was time for Thomas to have an X-ray.   He was booked in for the Friday morning.

On the Thursday evening, I got Thomas back into the travel cage so we could go out early the next morning.  The X-ray was scheduled early, before the morning consultations.  Friday morning, Thomas was a very brave boy.  Mr EV said he would be anaesthetised for the shortest possible time, just to allow him to be still enough for the X-ray to be done.  Sure enough, it was not long before Thomas was back up on the perch & looking very much the same as before he went in for the procedure.  I took him home & waited for the results. Read more of this post

Operation “Lose Lump”

After the last vet visit, when Atilla was diagnosed with a fatty lump, I have looked into ways to help slow down or halt the growth.  Due to her weight, it’s likely she may have a fatty liver so puddings & toyboys now have milk thistle extract added to their water.

Milk thistle has been used for over 2000 years as a remedy for various types of liver disease.

Along with their new “medicine” I am also implementing a new regime whereby (on a day I am not in the office) they have vegetables only during the day.  The added bonus of this is that if I have to go out in the afternoon, giving them back their seed is a great way of getting them all back in the Manor. 😀

Raspy has put on weight too so I am hoping both puddings will benefit from the changes.